I think being a parent is the most challenging thing you do. That's why we're here. It's at the heart of what it is to be a human being. It's the ultimate experience because it questions everything about who you are. But it's difficult.

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And I don't think that government has a role in telling people how to live their lives. Maybe a minister does maybe your belief in God does maybe there's another set of moral codes but I don't think government has a role.